"The problem isn't that they ate the fruit, it's that they disobeyed God." How would they know that disobeying your god is "wrong" without the knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil?

"They didn't know that eating the fruit was wrong, but they knew deviating from the instructions would be unacceptable." And how would they know that god-acceptance is a good thing, and god non-acceptance is a bad thing without the knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong?

"Well, they should have just obeyed God." Same problem – how do they know that obeying your god is "right" and not obeying your god is "wrong" without that knowledge?

"Because they should have listened to God and not the serpent." You're really not getting this. How would they know that listening to your god and ignoring the snake is the "right" thing to do? And why did this god warn them about the fruit, but not about the snake?

"Be… because it's written on everyone's hearts." So you're actually trying to say that people are born with the knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil "on their hearts." So obtaining it from the fruit was redundant. And tormenting them merely an act of capricious abuse.

Furthermore, they were (supposedly) the first people ever in the world. Nobody had any experience with anything. How would they even comprehend "lest ye die" as consequences, when nobody had ever died, ever? And didn't even happen (i.e. was a lie). Without the knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil, how would they know that paying attention to this heart-writing was the right thing to do?

The mental gymnastics to try and salvage this stupid fable about their omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient god's omni-incompetence are Olympic-grade.

Spoiler alert: the bible makes no sense. And we're only up to page three.

Matthew 4:8-10

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

A perfect god not only wouldn't be tempted, but couldn't be tempted. In that it would be an incoherent proposition. There is nothing that anyone could conceive of that a perfect god would be lacking or need. If they could, it wouldn't be perfect.

This story is confirmation that either the god of the bible is imperfect, or it's non-existent.

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Dead and already rotting; hollow and empty with a hole in your head; a grotesque false grin; completely unnatural; aping and appropriating pagan traditions; forced by someone else to be something you were never intended to be; the light existing independent of you being a pumpkin, and placed inside you actually creates more shadows; irrelevant and unnecessary the overwhelming majority of the time.

When you realize something can be both completely fucking mental and completely fucking accurate at the same time.

Could a being create the fifty billion galaxies, each with two hundred billion stars, then rejoice in the smell of burning goat flesh?" ~ Ron Patterson

Riker's like, "Wut?"

Picard: "Well, he does have a point."

 

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