Category: Beating Back the St00pid

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How Could They Know?

“The problem isn’t that they ate the fruit, it’s that they disobeyed God.” How would they know that disobeying your god is “wrong” without the knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil?

“They didn’t know that eating the fruit was wrong, but they knew deviating from the instructions would be unacceptable.” And how would they know that god-acceptance is a good thing, and god non-acceptance is a bad thing without the knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong?

“Well, they should have just obeyed God.” Same problem – how do they know that obeying your god is “right” and not obeying your god is “wrong” without that knowledge?

“Because they should have listened to God and not the serpent.” You’re really not getting this. How would they know that listening to your god and ignoring the snake is the “right” thing to do? And why did this god warn them about the fruit, but not about the snake?

“Be… because it’s written on everyone’s hearts.” So you’re actually trying to say that people are born with the knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil “on their hearts.” So obtaining it from the fruit was redundant. And tormenting them merely an act of capricious abuse.

Furthermore, they were (supposedly) the first people ever in the world. Nobody had any experience with anything. How would they even comprehend “lest ye die” as consequences, when nobody had ever died, ever? And didn’t even happen (i.e. was a lie). Without the knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil, how would they know that paying attention to this heart-writing was the right thing to do?

The mental gymnastics to try and salvage this stupid fable about their omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient god’s omni-incompetence are Olympic-grade.

Spoiler alert: the bible makes no sense. And we’re only up to page three.

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Let us account for all we see by the facts we know. If there are things for which we cannot account, let us wait for light. To account for anything by supernatural agencies is, in fact to say that we do not know. Theology is not what we know about God, but what we do not know about Nature.

In order to increase our respect for the Bible, it became necessary for the priests to exalt and extol that book, and at the same time to decry and belittle the reasoning powers of man. The whole power of the pulpit has been used for hundreds of years to destroy the confidence of man in himself—to induce him to distrust his own powers of thought, to believe that he was wholly unable to decide any question for himself, and that all human virtue consists in faith and obedience. The church has said, ‘Believe, and obey! If you reason, you will become an unbeliever, and unbelievers will be lost. If you disobey, you will do so through vain pride and curiosity, and will, like Adam and Eve, be thrust from Paradise forever!’

For my part, I care nothing for what the church says, except in so far as it accords with my reason; and the Bible is nothing to me, only in so far as it agrees with what I think or know.”

~ Robert G. Ingersoll, Some Mistakes of Moses